Written by: clowride

Hello

do you think stop Mighty Touch ?

several months ago we could say "there is only Jomsocial" but now  there is more and more social networking so  compagnies are looking for a Competitive advantage and for that Mighty touch do that very well.

how to explain the big succes of Anahita ? and in lots of forum Mighty touch is more and more famous

with Mighty Touch i win more 2500 euros by month so I don't want another social network

regards

Written by: guigui

hi

i agree with clowride

hum i afraid do you have stop touch ?

I think Mighty Touch and the functionality, including integration with other compoents, is outstanding.

The problem I see, is the templating aspect. In other words, I can create all this functionality, but the "look" and the usability I still think is not even close to what it could be, and frankly is, i hate to say it, but poor.  If this template/usability aspect ever matched the fucntionality of these components, it would absolutely best in class.

Written by: jimie

@masha ... the problem of mighty is that.. you allways want money... jomsocial announce some time ago that jomsocial will be free..

Have Mighty team ever thought that there are many people under 18 years.. who have many good ideeas who can create nice website with your extension but they can`t aford to buy mighty extensions?

Written by: jimie

Another think... add to all of your extensions sef support and make your own plugins for: sh404sef, artio, sef advanced..

many people will love that

Written by: astoryan

the problem is not free or paid  more and more free extension have paid option  (joomlapack, ect...)

Why they didn't chose Community Builder and why Anahita is growing ?

Mighty touch is a BUSINESS solution (like Anahita) and i can say several big compagnies don't want Jomsocial (All Web sites are identical) (comparative social networking document coming soon lol)

I think in future Mighty Touch can be a "MUST HAVE"

best regards

Written by: bluewavefunds

paid/not paid is silly.   it is minimal dollars for the totality of what you get. 

Again, i think the problem is visual. 

just sayin.

gotta run.  UEFA Lyon/Byron on !!!

:)

Written by: neoketsord

Hi all,

First of all, I think that Mighty has done an impressive job in the last year. A product like Resources is just the best there is in this field. No doubt about that. And looking at how Mighty developed Resources over the last year, it is very likely that they will also be able to make Touch a product that is just as competetive (if it isn't already).

I think the argument that ME should make their extentions GNU GPL is not always valid. Be honest guys, they have to earn their money somewhere! Prices are actually low for the product you are getting and the EXCELLENT customer service. I could imagine though that it might be smart to make the core component (Touch) GNU GPL, just as they did with Resources, and then make money on creating additional products (templates, add-ons, other Mighty components, etc.). But that's up to them to decide, I'm just very happy with the products i'm getting.

All of that said, I think some valid points are raised above. Built-in SEF/SEO support, end-user usability and - most importantly - design are some of the weaker points of Mighty products. Though from a programming perspective the Mighty products are just awesome, design is often weak. I know that ME's view is that 'CSS is not our business', but this does weaken the product from a selling point. I see the problem that many users have different design needs, but more fancy basic design of things like templates and filters would really increase the potential. Mighty Components are a little bit like Ferrari's in a Lada jacket (no offence to Lada lovers;)), extremely powerful but not having the looks that make everybody watch them.

Well anyway, I'll go off to the Joomla forum and tell people there how awesome ME components actually are, and I'll hope for either ME or 3DP designers to fill the gap:)

Regards,

Koen

Three biggest Mighty Extensions problems:

1) usability, usability, usability

The interface is terribly difficult to use, and the front-end is incredibly unattractive. While I understand that this something you choose to leave to the end developer, I think this is a poor choice. If you really want to compete in US and European market you are going to have to realize that this is a HUGE selling point, and with all the power of MightyExtensions it seems almost silly that you wouldn't run the last mile and come up with more attractive UI, layout, and end user feel. I honestly don't think you're going to pick up serious traction without re-examing  the importance on that one.

2) Lack of penetration into the Joomla Community

You guy don't seem to put much emphasis on integrating with things outside of your own lineup, which the kiss of death in this community. Best mentioned above is something like sh404SEF integration. Developers are going to be MUCH more comfortable making a large purchase and more importantly time investment into your closed off "do-it-all" system if they see a plethora of plugins and integrations with other extensions. 

3) I am personally operating out of America, and am somewhat hesitant in going with a proverbial black box do it all solution you guys offer. Yes, it's EXTREMELY powerful and is very tempting, but you guys don't present yourself as a terribly reliable company. Everyone's biggest fear is that they build a huge system based on your nice extensions, and then you all of a sudden decide not to continue development. The code is encrypted, and as mentioned above, the lack of integrations would making switching to other extensions near impossible. They would have to start from scratch!

Just my two cents ;-)

Written by: cargenes

Hi all,

Just I want to precise in wich points agree and wich themes could be deeply discussed:

TEMPLATING AND LOOK

@Steve  The problem I see, is the templating aspect. In other words, I can create all this functionality, but the "look" and the usability I still think is not even close to what it could be, and frankly is, i hate to say it, but poor.  If this template/usability aspect ever matched the fucntionality of these components, it would absolutely best in class.

@BLUEWAVEFUNDS Again I think that problem is visual

@NEOKETSORD Though from a programming perspective the Mighty products are just awesome, design is often weak.

Mighty Components are a little bit like Ferrari's in a Lada jacket (no offence to Lada lovers;)), extremely powerful but not having the looks that make everybody watch them.

I'll hope for either ME or 3DP designers to fill the gap:)

@jUSTIN  1) usability, usability, usability

this is a HUGE selling point, and with all the power of MightyExtensions it seems almost silly that you wouldn't run the last mile and come up with more attractive UI, layout, and end user feel.

PAYING/NOT PAYING

@ASTORYAN the problem is not free or paid  more and more free extension have paid option  (joomlapack, ect...)

@BLUEWAVEFUNDS  paid/not paid is silly.   it is minimal dollars for the totality of what you get.

@NEOKETSORD I think the argument that ME should make their extentions GNU GPL is not always valid. Be honest guys, they have to earn their money somewhere! Prices are actually low for the product you are getting and the EXCELLENT customer service. I could imagine though that it might be smart to make the core component (Touch) GNU GPL, just as they did with Resources, and then make money on creating additional products (templates, add-ons, other Mighty components, etc.). But that's up to them to decide, I'm just very happy with the products i'm getting.

QUALITY OF EXTENSIONS

@astoryan I think in future Mighty Touch can be a "MUST HAVE"

@NEOKETSORD First of all, I think that Mighty has done an impressive job in the last year. A product like Resources is just the best there is in this field. No doubt about that. And looking at how Mighty developed Resources over the last year, it is very likely that they will also be able to make Touch a product that is just as competetive (if it isn't already).

NEW THEMES TO DISCUSS

@NEOKETSORD Built-in SEF/SEO support

@JUSTIN  integrating with things outside of your own lineup,

Everyone's biggest fear is that they build a huge system based on your nice extensions, and then you all of a sudden decide not to continue development. The code is encrypted, and as mentioned above, the lack of integrations would making switching to other extensions near impossible. They would have to start from scratch!

For many of us Migthy Extensions are core business and their future is critical for us, so we must work to make ME Community to work together so we all want the same.

Best regards

Written by: guigui

euh we can already do that ;)

Hey ME people, are you that dumb? why did they choose it? because it will soon be GPL!

when will your be? LOL

get over it!

Written by: webmaker

Lets be honest.  Touch is only lacking in two areas.  "The Wall Functionaliity"  and integration with native joomla articles.  If these two things could be improved,  there would be stopping touch..Oh,  and the component name runs in com_community folder which makes it impossible to test alongside well lets say jomsocial...

As far as the look and feel.  I believe that I have squashed many thoughts about touch not looking good,  plus my little community frontpage project solves many of the above  "look and feel" statements...

Remember everyone what you are working with or buying from Mighty.  You are buying and working with Website Creation Kits.......not a cookie cutter component....  you have to build what you want......   Now here is the good news.....  With the up coming release of Resources.  I as well as others will be able to create "cookie cutter" projects that will be able to be installed and used just like another component....  Ex.   I could build a dating app then share it, sell it or what ever,  and I plan on doing just that.....   In about one week,  maybe sooner I will be releasing a slew of new templates and customizations that I hope will gain more interest in Mighty as well as my customizations.   

Written by: masha

Thanks all of you for you feedbacks.  It was just a quiestion and it raised more areas we need to make improvements.

As for paid or free lets guys be honest, it is all about money and everyone wants money, because everyone wants to eat and have to pay bills. This is not the question to discuss. We devote the whole workong day for you can get the best quality products at the end. We are not here to create smth just for fun.

We'll take into account public opinion and will do our best to make our components the best.

Written by: astoryan

thank you webmaker and masha

webmaker.

wrong. while you may be able to do all the templating, etc.  there are only few people in this boat. 

the rest of us 70 percent of individuals will take the extensions, make a few minor changes, install template extensions for the main extensions, and go forward. Because we are not developer skilled.

Therefore, you can either make Mighty Touch for developers or you can make it for the masses. If it was my business, I would make it for the masses, without question.

And really, this is reason why membership, registration, anaytlics, the new license manger, and a few others are so populare and many people love, because they are easy to understand for non-developers (just takes some hours and questions to the support board).

Written by: webmaker

"the rest of us 70 percent of individuals will take the extensions, make a few minor changes, install template extensions for the main extensions, and go forward. Because we are not developer skilled."

Well,  this is basically my point Steve.  We can make anything,  some people just need something to get them going in the right direction.  Similar to Joomla itself,  in a perfect world you would be able to install Joomla and then build any component,  module,  bla, bla,  as a basic user.   But,  this is not the case.  People look to others to build stuff for Joomla....

Soon it will be even easier for others to share,  sell cookie cutter apps for Mighty.  

Now with touch,  Currently  The power is in the user tracking,  and all the different types of content that can be created with resources.....I mean try to create Store Profiles with Jomsocial....

If you want to just throw up a simple here is a pic, video, quick post, site with out any work at all maybe Touch is not for you..   But,  as I stated before,  I will be building some things like this so all anyone will have to do is like you said above.  Install and go..

And,  I am sure that I will not be the only one who will dev w/mighty.  At least ,  I hope not...

Written by: clowride

NO you are not the only one

core joomla, j video direct, techjoomla and joomla xtc (very very good component coming soon) is developping for Mighty touch (thank you to JAYBLAQ)

clowride, that is awesome news !!

frankly, right now I am evaluating social extensions, from jomsocial and JSocialSuite to the upcoming from Anahita social engine. I would love to just use touch and accompany extensions, because i use membership and registration and analytics now! 

However, I need more template options.  

ALSO, rarely is there is an up and go aspect.  The difference is this. I am not going to design/build the css and any PHP code.  I dont have those skills.  But I do have skills to make edits through firebug to CSS and some small level PHP changes, etc.  This is what I mean by when I feel like this represents "70 % of us".

Design is critical. I think thats why you saw ME get into templates. It's also why rockettheme is so awesome (bigtime user here for websites and phpbb3, etc) and so many other developers including templates in extensions.For example, look at K2, and why now there are template development galore for this (joomlabamboo got into this on last template i believe).

So, its a fact, unless its a purely functional extension (ie. registration) template/style is ALWAYS critical.

ok, i will say no more  :).

I just wanted to follow up on Steve's comment because I believe there are a very diverse range of users utilizing ME and other joomla extensions. There seems to be a back and forth of...

"it doesn't need style or flare or continuity, you add that yourself with css" attitude

VS

"why would I pay so much money for a car without a paint job!?!" attitude

What would be really interesting is to get more feedback, or perhaps have a Poll about this difference of views. It should be important, however, to word the question correctly.

The question shouldn't ask WHAT IS YOUR SKILL LEVEL, but rather how much WORK a person EXPECTS TO PUT INTO CUSTOMIZING and essentially building a front-end for the ME products.

I know that I personally would rank myself 4 out of 5 stars when it comes to depth of knowledge (yes I can do a layout from scratch, I know PHP and SQL etc). BUT I don't want to have to do most of this crap, that is kind of the point of utilizing open source solutions in the first place! I am a one man show and time is money. ME forgets that people are paying a lot of money, and that ME is competing against a HUGE RANGE of products that (to the end user and people like me) appeal more despite the fact that they aren't as technically as complex.

This is marketing 101 stuff, so I suggest that if you want to extend your user base, you'll have to play ball. I'm sorry but let's be honest, 95% of people who come here are going to look at your front page, see something that looks like shit with a row of seven stars in which the last star is inexplicably wrapped around to a new line, and simply leave.

This is real life, people judge books by their cover, period. You would have a great edge if your package was fully rounded, because it is indeed technically superior. But until that package is completed I think most of us will still choose to shop elsehwere. 

Written by: Vilio

I can confirm also other opinions, where people blaim templating of components.

Really, each component is perfect, I can set all, but when I look on it as user, it's not nice, modern look design.

My opinion:

Functionality: 5/5

Design: 2/5

If you start making new templates, I think components will be almost perfect. Currently most common issues in design are:

- big blank spaces between parts of site

- text parts are sometimes too close with similar color and font-size. Is hard to understand, what is important and what is not. (Group management for example)

- slide menu is displaying behind screen and is not possible to change slide menu to static menu

I think this was reason, why do they choose component with better look and not mighty touch, no matter if funcionality is better.

Written by: iqtoday

Presentation in a competitive economy is a must ... fees are a must for survival, The product is great after a little while ( which is worth it ) you get the hang of it .. I like the fact that it gives more control Than JOM Social but the fact remains

that if it does not look good we don't want to take it home... this I think is pertly the reason why JOM social was the choice ...    ...

you Have my support  ... And you will find with a little work on templates you can drasticlaly change the entire outlook og the project  ... ( Ability for columns and change around your layout mean a lot ..)

Much regards 

i would encourage ME to look at the Anahita (nooku engine) that is in alpha release right now...

This is a pretty nifty social engine that allows for quick "plug n play" like jomsocial, which is a strong benefit.

something we have glossed over in this discussion is the presentation layer.  not just the template, but the way items are presented. I think jomsocial does this well (anahita appears to be doing this well also).

Written by: DrDigital

I didn't read this all, but i know that they didnt even look at mighty touch because its ioncube encoded. I mean mighty touch isnt even on the JED and azrul is about to release a gpl version, I paid for 5 licenses of JomSocial, as soon as it goes GPL there wont be a license limit

Also a lot of developers donate money back to the Joomla Project (so they can hire PR firms)  I owm JoomlaMafia and we donate 20% of our income back to Joomla Project. After all if it wasn't for joomla I wouldn't be making any money at all with my site

Written by: maikkaune

Almost everything said... not much to add here. Maybe...

JomSocial is quiet good, and works right out-of-the-box. Many "typical" features from the "big-players" in an All-in-one package. Is that good or bad? It depends. Do you want a fairly quick setup with a pleasing look: Go for it. But that is also the main reason, why all the sites look so similar and exchangeably. No doubt: Possibilities are great. You could customize it and totally re-design it, but that would take its time... i remember, if there were updates and changes in the past, you were getting in trouble and a lot of extra work! (Can't speak for the current version, i hope they will get a reliable core- and template- Upgrade path)

As far as i can tell, the look and feel in comparison to "touch", is much better. If they are comparable anyway. There are "those little things", which makes it "round". Maybe this is only a visual point-of-view... and less a question of technique. Most people want to USE it... not to code and style it their way. Somehow, I can understand and re-construct the "hype" and high acceptance of their product. (Though, i did not buy one yet, but i am willing to do so. For the same reasons i mentioned above ;-) )

If i had to combine a community feature with resources content or commerce... i would "choose touch", obviously.