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Thursday, 25 March 2010

Resources 1.5 turn in to completely front end oriented component. To be true I even do not know if backend is working at all :).

The user record control become the base for of the section. User may hide records. It will be invisible for everyone. Thus users will be able to safe draft records. Also if automatic expiration is set in type parameters, user may prolong records after expiration. You may set subscription of Mighty Membership and allow prolongation only on after subscription is purchased. The same with making record featured. If you enable it, user will see icon to make record featured, but also through purchasing Membership subscription plan.

Another feature is the new Itemed mechanism. Though  all problems with Itemid, breadcrumbs and SEF duplication was due to not proper understanding of Itemid nature, I did it so, that it detects if one is doing something wrong, and try to behave differently, as much as it is possible t avoid Itemid problems.  But anyway after I finish with Resources 1.5 I will make movie about Itemid with suggestions how to use it correctly.

Today with God’s help I closed 37 tasks. Every task produced 2-20 new features.

You will be amazed.

P.S. As you all discuss ZOO in comments I add my opinion here.

I read about ZOO 2.0 yesterday. I looked through list of new features and half of them if the old features just as highlight. For example like Multi type content creation, ... Another half, I would not say much more there. 99% of what is there have been in Resources 1.2 not to say 1.4 and of course 1.5 will be far, far away.

Also they version ZOO with number 2.0 right after 1.0. So if we would version Resources like that it would be Resources 5.0 but funny that ZOO now look older with 2.0 comparing to 1.5 of Resources.

I should mention that youtheme very good on making things looks good. Obviously better then us. The presentation of ZOO is more attractive but ZOO itself not worth even a 30% of Resources. Look in ZOO there is nor language file support. You need to translate file by file. Do you want more notes like this?

I think that ZOO is good for some tasks and even better then Resources when you need simple content. I myself do not like to use too complicated things to solve simple tasks. But if it come to solving difficult task or build content management platform for social services (multi user) or commerce, you cannot even try to chose between ZOO and Resources. Because only Resources can do that. And even if you want to use ZOO you cannot.
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clowrideAvatar
Written by: clowride VIP
On 25 March 2010

yes zoo 2 has not front end submission and theirs customers are angry. Mighty ressource is THE number ONE
koraykupeAvatar
Written by: koraykupe VIP
On 25 March 2010

Congratulations Sergey, 37 tasks good work!

New "expired" and "drafts "features are good for subscriptions.

I'd started an itemid discussion and i promise it will be more simple.
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Written by: Ivo Apostolov
On 25 March 2010

Guys, just make the GUI user friendly (i.e. understandable without the need to read a lot of help docs) and the templating easy. These two were the hardest things in resources so far.

Whish you luck :)
maikkauneAvatar
Written by: maikkaune VIP
On 26 March 2010

@Clowride

Yeah, shame on ZOO 2 and the missing frontend submission. The 2nd important thing to me: Filters and Advanced Search. Those two features would make it really shine. I have to admit, I really do like the clean interface and AJAX interaction (the coders seem to know there stuff). I am sure, it would become very popular, if it adds the major lacking frontend features.

Resources still has some major advantages for me: The integration with the other ME products TOUCH and MEMBERSHIP. In my humble opinion, this is the most crucial benefit of using resources.
maikkauneAvatar
Written by: maikkaune VIP
On 26 March 2010

@Sergej R.

I am missing a Preview feature for submissions. DRAFT seems to be a very good alternative for that. How does the DRAFT feature looks on submission? Is it a checkbox or even a second Submit Button? The latter would be more intuitive for the average user.
SerhioAvatar
Written by: Serhio STAFF
On 26 March 2010

I added draft picture to gallery
SerhioAvatar
Written by: Serhio STAFF
On 26 March 2010

I added my opinion about ZOO in the article
clowrideAvatar
Written by: clowride VIP
On 26 March 2010

i agree with Sergey and Ressource in very powerful when we use with Mighty Touch / commerce
maikkauneAvatar
Written by: maikkaune VIP
On 26 March 2010

Thanks for the quick DRAFT explanation! i like it. Is it possible to have this as an extra button as well? I try to think from the from the clients point of view ;-)

ZOO 2

Totally agree with you ;-) The YT plans and changes to the product are quiet strange and hard to rely on. 
maikkauneAvatar
Written by: maikkaune VIP
On 26 March 2010

ZOO 2 and design:

Its easy to look good, when you ship the products with CSSfiles and IMAGEfolders, And very clever, too! A common and un-fancy style is easy to integrate in the joomla standard templates and others.

I would suggest a similar approach for resources!!! If it fits in your template concept etc. Though, i don´t want to be forced to load additional CSS files etc. it is a big plus for a fast setup and it sells the product ;-)

 
petterthgAvatar
Written by: petterthg VIP
On 26 March 2010

Please add menu functionallity to work with all ME components, to use less time to search for things.
VilioAvatar
Written by: Vilio VIP
On 26 March 2010

Wow ! Finally featured items. The more I read about new Resource, I'm more interested and awaiting first production release.
petterthgAvatar
Written by: petterthg VIP
On 26 March 2010

For 1.4 i requested a MASS of features, i come back with a new list of MASS features, i want for 1.5, such as a simple setup for you, to make it possible to make a magazine layout. If you add that simple feature(not magazine feature), i will try make a movie about how, as its a bit compliced.
petterthgAvatar
Written by: petterthg VIP
On 26 March 2010

In witch Q of 2010 can we wait for a beta? Q2? And stable Q3?
maikkauneAvatar
Written by: maikkaune VIP
On 26 March 2010

@Petter S.

@Sergej

Wasn´t there an announcement for the VERY near future?! I do remember a posting or news...

 

EXTRA ICONS:

Is this the default layout? The position is critical in my humble opinion. It seems the icons can push everything out of its place. I would suggest an output on an extra line above the actual article content.
SerhioAvatar
Written by: Serhio STAFF
On 26 March 2010

@Petter S.
Unfortunatelly there will not be feature like magazine.  

@Mike
The set of buttons of couse I will place to more nice location. It is default Joomla_blog template. We will change all templates. If my plans whith God's blessings come true we will refactor all templates for Resources.

It is very possible to have DRUFT as a separate button. Very small changes in template.

We do not want to use CSS. It is useless. It may make things look better but it never fit layout user need. We have so many requests, so we try to built compoennt sutable for everyone. It may looks not such fancy but it fits general Joomla templates as it uses standard Joomla CSS classes. The same classes Joomla core components use to render output. Our Resources is a more like platform to build on.

@Viliam
Featured articles was in Resources from version 1.1. But only admin could set it manually. Now user may do that. But that will work only on subscription base.  I mean will not work without Mighty Membership.
clowrideAvatar
Written by: clowride VIP
On 26 March 2010

@Petter you mean magazine template ?
petterthgAvatar
Written by: petterthg VIP
On 26 March 2010

No, its a simple setup - without some extra(if a option for where field shuld SHOW be added for each field). The setup is crated by the two content displaying modues, viewer and list. I will look on it soon, i have a feature request for this, but seems to that is wasnt liked.

http://www.mightyextensions.com/support/feature-request/item/37-feature-request/22080-show-in-feed-and-possible-to-show-in-module-but-not-other

 

If a option in field configuration was, like "Show in list" and "Show in full", named for example "Show in special", to only show in for example module list, if you select it there as a field.

 

I will see what i can make of more explanation - my enligsh is not quite good.
webmakerAvatar
Written by: webmaker VIP
On 27 March 2010

Come on guys....

You are bugging them for design.......let Sergey build the functions.....

If you want a magazine layout all you have to do is ask me...  I will build one.......

You want a tabless layout,,,, fine I will build one..  but  the most powerful aspect of resources and the other components like touch,  etc is the ability to customize.....  

I would build templates full time if more than one or two people bit at any of my ideas that I posted....but until then I do it for fun,  friends and paying customers.....

I promised a video template that is what I will do next....  and it will rock.....

Sorry,  if I seem irate.  Just frustrated a tiny bit....  I can build anything with these components and there is no comparisson out there right now......

The problem is that people do not know how to make the information look the way that they want it...

this will change with the new version of resource....I have already planned on creating pre-built apps that people will be able to be up and running in a matter of mins......(with design built in)

I just need more direct feed back........

@Peter Sandvik

I have already built a template system for for resources with this functionality.....current version consists of 34 fields and with custom tabs built in....  I have an example posted somewhere....here....

 
clowrideAvatar
Written by: clowride VIP
On 27 March 2010

thank Fitzgerald you are really good
VilioAvatar
Written by: Vilio VIP
On 27 March 2010

Hello Sergey,

I know that featured item was there, but there was needed to much workaround if our support want to support that. I created also request on improvement in feature request section.

Finally featured items you can translate to: Finally easy way how to handle featured items :-)

I hope God will continue in blessing and you will bring us component, which overrun all expectations.

Viliam
timonnnAvatar
Written by: timonnn VIP
On 27 March 2010

Mighty ressource forever!!!!
VilioAvatar
Written by: Vilio VIP
On 28 March 2010

Two more questions regarding Resource 1.5:

1.) Will you implement in new version also possibility to create new categories from front-end ?

2.) Will be possible to count in parent category also number of items in child categories ?
SerhioAvatar
Written by: Serhio STAFF
On 28 March 2010

1. Not sure about categories from frontend. It will take time but will not make compoennt better.  mean users may add their own categories from frontent. But global structure should be formed only by admin. It means that manage categories on frontend only dubly functionality. 

2. The number should show in current category or category and it's subcategory depending on Records Mode section parameter.
VilioAvatar
Written by: Vilio VIP
On 28 March 2010

1. I will use example. I'm creating shops, where registered user is seller, unregistered is buyer. We want to create for each seller one category. Category will be seller shop. He can put there all his products.

We want to create automatic process for it, where user can create his category. He can create category with name as he want. He don't need to send us email and request that. For that should be useful some settings like:

User can create category: yes/no

How many categories  in this category: 0 - ....

And if there is possible to apply permissions on category created by user, it will be perfect.

Permissions: (Public creation / Registered / User only)

2. I have set Record mode in Resource 1.4, but still I can see in parent category 0 items, no matter that in subcategory are 2 items.

- Cars and Buses (0)

- - Cars (2)

- - Buses (0)
webmakerAvatar
Written by: webmaker VIP
On 28 March 2010

@ Villiam  You should practice a bit more....  because you can already do what you are asking.........

as far as the second part with categories...  same thing.... you can already do that....

 
SerhioAvatar
Written by: Serhio STAFF
On 29 March 2010

@Viliam, it is all done. That is what commerce and resources was developed for. But there is no sense to create category in global structure for every user. User create his categories right in the section and at the same time put ptroducts to global category structure. If global structure just copy user list there is no sense for it. You create structure acording products types, or so. Thus buyers are able not only to see each user home page but also browse products by categories.

Also not that every user have his own home page where all his products a listed dispite global category structure.
lorielcideAvatar
Written by: lorielcide VIP
On 29 March 2010

@Fitzgerald Flood: Yeah, I agree. We shouldn't get upset about standard ME templates. Just let ME developer create the best features and customers create the template.

My website will be officially launch on May 20. Is there any chance, Resources 1.5 will be release before that date?

Regards
webmakerAvatar
Written by: webmaker VIP
On 29 March 2010

I think the target date is the first part of May,  so it should be......
petterthgAvatar
Written by: petterthg VIP
On 29 March 2010

Hopefully a alpha or beta soon :)
neoketsordAvatar
Written by: neoketsord VIP
On 03 April 2010

Opinions might differ on whether it would be good for ME to create templates, but I do think that more/better templates (either by ME or by 3DP developers) are really important for resources.

Looking at the amount of downloads for the free Neoketsord taber template I created (which was later further improved by others), I think this shows clearly that people really do need better templates. I'm actually quite surprised that there's not more developers out there who started this yet, I think there's money to earn on this if you're good (which I'm not, unfortunately:)).

Some more expert users among us might be able to develop templates for themselves, but don't forget that there is also many people out there without design capabilities and for them good templates would make resources much more attractive.

Any way, as far as the new features go, it looks very very promising! Can't wait for the first release! :)
gobezuAvatar
Written by: gobezu
On 26 April 2010

Hi all, Hi Sergey,

Thanks for such dedication and for Resources, if I have missed to express my gratitude earlier...

I am hardly a soul that dedicate myself to one tool, rather I try to align myself to the task at hand, thus I will be honest and tell you I have been around and have since Resources used jSeblod CCK, flexicontent and K2, tools which all are handy and excellent when used in the right case and context, just as Sergey commented about ZOO.

In this post I want to suggest a slight modification on the setup of fields - content types and how those 2 are made to work together to build a content type in current Resources.

My suggestion is:

the current confinement of fields within types should be breaken and instead fields should be free from types, and that types becomes the bucket into which fields are collected into. So the work flow would be create your fields and then create your types, instead of current setup of create your types and then create your fields within types. I think the need for this is obvious and wouldn't affect those who are used to current setup that much as well. Many times you have a huge overlapping set of fields among various content types and that we are forced to create these fields over and over for each content type is such a nuisnace and hustle when it comes to administrating sites. In case you discover that you need to change how a field called Name (for example) is presented or defined, and that specific field is common to practically all of your content types, that might be well over +50 such (in a fairly sized site) then I would need to pick on each of these types. Not good at all when there is a good chance for Resources to handle it smoothly, for the developer and site maintainer.

As final notes I have 2 questions:

1. where does the naming of Resources come from?

2. I believe I am among those who look forward to 1.5 and is wondering (now that its close to May ;)...) if there is some clear timelines which we all can align ourselves to. Not to be nagging, rather of mere anticipation and to be able to schedule it along with ongoing projects.

3. Do you have need for beta testers, then I am all there to help and of course get some good early pick for myself... ;)

Look forward to your feedback on the suggestion above and the questions raised.

Thank you!
/Gobezu
gobezuAvatar
Written by: gobezu
On 05 May 2010

I am sad to see that my comment above is totally igonred :(
VilioAvatar
Written by: Vilio VIP
On 13 May 2010

>> Hello Fitzgerald Flood

1.) Regarding my requests. I found that Mighty Permission should be the way, how to setup categories, where only one member can create articles

2.) Probably i make mistake. In my explanation should be:

- Cars and Buses (5=2+3)

- - Cars (2)

- - Buses (3)

This is needed I think in cases, when I don't want to show subcategories. Currently Resource is showing for Cars and buses 0 items, no matter that I have 2 cars and 3 buses in subcategories. This is not good, because guest will see 0 ads, but in subcategories are 5 ads together and he don't know that.
maikkauneAvatar
Written by: maikkaune VIP
On 13 May 2010

@Viliam Bedec

I made a similar question in support desk... sorry don´t remember the link right now.

I totally agree with you! The current logic is strange and misleading. There should be different options for the counting. Maybe automaticly and dependent to the index display options or by additional parameters. In my humble opinion it should be possible to have different count modes like:

1.) Parent counts only parent items (makes sense, if users can submit in parent category!), otherwise count only subcategories items. Option to show amount on parent only.

Example Link MosetsTree

 

2.) in addition to 1.) a mixed mode for Categories and Articles amount i.e. (5/100)

Example Link SOBI2

 

3.) Maybe a categories amount only for parent categories (e.g. a product catalog section could count the included Subcategories, not the included articles).

 

Any other ideas?
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